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When Sally Jones, a Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn home renovation blogger who writes Renov8or, started looking to upgrade from a one-bedroom (pictured above) to a two-bedroom apartment, she quickly realized that the neighborhood, and even the borough she had long called home, was no longer in her price range. Here’s her tale of finding her new home.

You know the neighborhood in Brooklyn that everyone loves right now — the one near Prime Meat and Buttermilk Channel and Black Gold and Trader Joe’s and Fairway? The one with all those brownstones with front gardens and bathtub madonnas? Yeah, Carroll Gardens. That one. I’m moving out of that neighborhood and I’m heading for Queens.

Crazy, right?

It’s not that I don’t love Carroll Gardens anymore. It’s not the much-discussed-among-the-natives “French” taking over the hood thanks to the immersion schools (though my friends with kids tell me that’s a real game-changer). It’s not even the much-maligned “hipsters” moving in. I welcomed the great restaurants and food shops and vinyl record stores, hey, even the hipsters. Live and let live.

It’s not any of that. To paraphrase a failed candidate for governor: The rents are just too damned high!

And as rents climb, purchase prices follow. A good thing for me The Seller. For me The Buyer, not so much.

I moved to CG in 1998, when anything south of 4th Place was verboten. Really. It’s hard to believe it now, but as a single woman buying her first apartment, I was warned against anything south of the “Place” streets. And my friends in Manhattan — they had to think twice about attending a party if it meant crossing a bridge. But, long-time renovation junkie that I am, raised at the heels of parents who  upgraded every home we lived in, I recognized the potential of CG south of the Place Streets (then still called Red Hook) and I honed in. Price per square foot? Check. Proximity to Manhattan? Check? Ethnic diversity? Check. First rung on the property ladder.

None of which, by the way, is true of the nieghborhood today. For someone looking to buy their first apartment right now, Carroll Gardens is not your right place — unless you have a trust fund or a guarantor.

My first purchase in Carroll Gardens was a walk-up one bedroom in a sponsor controlled co-op on Clinton Street and Luquer Street. (I later learned it had been the home of playwright laureate Tony Kushner, who lived there with his sister). There was a slight risk for my investment. The co-op had no board in place — we newcomers had to form a board and wrest control from the sponsor. But, just $13K down got me in. And I ran with it. With a few minor upgrades — I installed upper cabinets in the kitchen while my dad tiled over the old checkerboard linoleum, hung french doors, and put in a washer and dryer — I sold that apartment a few years later for 3x what I had paid for it. (Thanks, Dad!)

That funded my next home, a one bedroom + garden in desperate need of a kitchen and bath reno. This one was beyond Dad’s help (he lived 1,000 miles away). But I found a great contractor in the hood, and we elevated that apartment to a grand level.

Fast forward to today and my need for space has changed. I met a guy and we acquired a cat — and now I need someplace to house all his guitars… some place that isn’t the living room. But when I looked around Carroll Gardens to see where I might next put my nest egg, it was with the sad realization that we are priced out. A one bedroom + garden, no matter how stupendous I made it, won’t cover the cost of a two bedroom.

So I started casting around for the next “real estate frontier” — and found it in Jackson Heights, Queens.

I know Jackson Heights well. My best friend in college lived in The Towers, and I was invited for all those holidays that I couldn’t make it home to see my family.

Thanksgiving, Easter, New Years. I have very happy memories of the neighborhood and the elegant apartment of my friend’s family. If you aren’t familiar with The Towers, it’s prewar luxury at it’s finest: Four bedrooms, formal dining room, fireplace, maid’s room, butler’s panty, private gardens. Through the years, I learned all about Jackson Heights history. It was the first planned garden community in New York City, and with the rise of the Queensboro Bridge into Manhattan, just 15 minutes to midtown by train. Blocks and blocks of grand-scale prewar apartments that were built to house families, and with full-staff maintenance teams and co-op boards preserving and protecting these buildings throughout the ages.

What I still don’t understand is why these co-ops are so underpriced compared to Brooklyn — grand architecture, price per sq ft, lovingly maintained buildings, 7 stops from Manhattan. What more can you ask for?

Honestly, I have not paused to figure this all out. I simply saw what I wanted and snatched one up.

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Last week my offer on a two bedroom, 1000+ square foot co-op apartment (pictured above) was accepted. I am already lining up my contractor, engineer, and inspector — and I will share my details as soon as I have the deal sealed — and plan to document every step of my loving renovation. This apartment is going to be a show-stopper!

My message to anyone looking to buy: Jackson Heights is the next New York City real estate frontier.

If you want to see for yourself,  just follow my breadcrumbs

Moving-From Carroll Gardens to Jackson Heights [Renov8or]

Carroll Gardens photo: David Castillo/Blue Barn Pictures


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  1. Just a note that a house just went up for sale across the street from us in Jackson Heights. In case anyone is looking. It’s so cute, but needs TLC. It’s got a huge living room, formal dining room, wooden staircase up to two spacious bedrooms and roomy bathroom with tub and separate shower (also has basement, backyard, and front driveway and garage) I am NOT a realtor, but I wanted to share with this page, because it’s always nice to get neighbors who will take care of their home (and neighborhood). The seller

  2. I’ve been in Cobble Hill for 14 years, and I’m experiencing exactly what you did. I’ve thought about Forest Hills, but thanks for the tip about Jackson Heights! I’m heading over to Google Maps to “walk” around …

  3. Claimer, I bought a coop recently in Jackson Heights. The home price increase would be unsustainable if it’s more than the inflation, and is not necessary good for the owners. Using the blogger Sally as an example, because of the huge price increase in Carrol Garden, she couldn’t afford upgrading her apartment to a big size in her original neighborhood granted she made some money during her previous purchases.

    We have seen a lot of this. When home price increases, at first the renters (without the rent stabilization protected) get pushed to less expensive neighborhood (from Manhattan to Brooklyn, from Brooklyn to Queens, etc) and then the home owners wanting to upgrade due to marriage or new born babies have to buy somewhere else.

    Being an owner myself, I secretly wish that the home price in Jackson Heights do not have big swings, just increases as the inflation. Well, there are so many forces that may influence the home price, that’s why I bought the largest unit as possible (three bedroom is too expensive, I bought two bed two bath and with the plan to convert the big bedroom into two small bedrooms when the kids are in their teens) and hope I will never have to upgrade.

  4. Jackson Heights has some of the most beautiful prewar apartments in the city. (I used to live at the Berkeley.) The schools are good, it’s relatively safe, groceries are reasonably priced, and the Met carries free-range chickens and real whole wheat bread. All the area lacks is a few more quality grocery and dining options, including a decent casual diner and a Brooklyn style restaurant with non-commercially-farmed meat and veg. (That’s not to say Dosa Delight or Kebab King aren’t good.)

  5. Just to add, I have known a few older people from Brooklyn that now call Queens home. I think movement between the two boroughs has always been present. But with the cost of living in Brooklyn getting higher, many lifelong natives of Brooklyn have made the move into Queens with their families. Also, quite a few people from the Bronx also made the move into Queens way back when. Queens has many transplants not just from all over the world but all over the city as well.

  6. Yes! Thank you, Mox! That is exactly it! That diversity is being used as a way to sell real estate, as if it is something one could buy – that is why diversity being a checkpoint on a list really bothers me. I believe that diversity is something that just happens. It can’t be forced. I won’t knock you for seeking it out though because – now, after all of this back and forth – I realize that in looking for a new place to live I would be weary if I noticed that the community I’m looking in is a bit homogenous. But even then, I believe that what should take precedent are things like if the house/apt you’re looking at is an overall nice place with good potential, if the neighborhood is safe, if the people are nice and if there are convenient things like corner delis, laundromats, supermarkets, and such. Because after all, the people who made Jackson Heights the diverse place that it is certainly weren’t moving there to seek out diversity. They created it.
    I’m all for diversity, but the search for diversity can potentially limit the spread of diversity.
    Also, I understand why you, Mox, would feel comfortable moving with your family to a place like Jackson Heights. Thank you for sharing your perspective 🙂

  7. Anonymous, I live in Jackson Heights and you could not be more incorrect. JH is a vibrant middle class community with commercial rents that are much higher than in Carroll Gardens. The housing prices are great, but not so low that anyone’s going to be pushed out. There is nothing to gentrify because it’s not a poor neighborhood with no amenities.

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